tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33019812.post6251599714012971118..comments2024-01-15T05:26:06.518+00:00Comments on THOUGHTS OF XANADU: Language As BarrierKubla Khanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11973223751363547679noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33019812.post-45193539769650652452013-04-10T00:03:24.810+01:002013-04-10T00:03:24.810+01:00Thanks for sharing such a nice thought, article is...Thanks for sharing such a nice thought, article is fastidious, thats <br />why i have read it entirely<br /><br />Feel free to visit my website :: <a href="http://www.dezeeuwehbo.nl/moodle/user/view.php?id=2203&course=1" rel="nofollow">weight loss program</a>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33019812.post-46597062778392270132007-04-14T11:20:00.000+01:002007-04-14T11:20:00.000+01:00hi rakeshthanks for leaving your comments. i agree...hi rakesh<BR/>thanks for leaving your comments. i agree that it is difficult to pin point language and semantics to some rules and then explain those.<BR/>we can try, try to give feelings a language, from a language that feels.Kubla Khanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11973223751363547679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33019812.post-63525728594898092802007-04-14T00:38:00.000+01:002007-04-14T00:38:00.000+01:00Language as words is used as a medium of communica...Language as words is used as a medium of communication. Communication of information gathered by our five senses and also the ideas/thoughts of our mind.<BR/>information grasped by our senses can be easily transferred provided we have all the words differentiating all the things perceived by our senses and also are senses are ablely able to differentiate. Imagine one seeing red colour but unable to communicate it as he doesn't knows the word red so may be he will symbolizes it with sth else or write few lines describing it i.e may use prose or may be invent a new word for it. <BR/>Now considering ideas of mind. Lets consider 'mathematics'. Since mathematics is well structure and has proper boundaries, language required to communicate it serves us well. but for something like 'love' which is again an idea of mind but much more complex i.e unstructured as well as without any boundary. So we feel it difficult to express it with language. Maths is solely an idea of mind where as love involves heartbeats, emotions (donno if this can be included in five senses or not, it necessarily is not an idea of mind) etc. so the times when we feel unable to communicate through language we actually are not definite (coherent) inside. Then instead of saying something unintelligible we prefer not saying anything and even if we end up saying something we feel it incomplete and lacking.<BR/>Also our thought process is quite different from the way we write, speak or more broadly use language. thats why writing technique like 'Stream of consciousness' are bit difficult to read. <BR/>what i wrote above is not much readable/comprehendible not because i couldn't communicate but because i didn't had any proper answer and wrote whatever that just came to my mind.<BR/>sorry for butting in.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33019812.post-74357007345511352682007-04-11T22:10:00.000+01:002007-04-11T22:10:00.000+01:00thanks antonia.by the way, just finished reading o...thanks antonia.<BR/>by the way, just finished reading old masters, bernhard, and this post of mine seems just ridiculous after having him make me laugh loudly , seeing what he has done to Heidegger in this book.<BR/>Bernhard just wont stop me laughing. he is the ONLY writer who has done it, if i remember.Kubla Khanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11973223751363547679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33019812.post-6317693611215090542007-04-11T21:06:00.000+01:002007-04-11T21:06:00.000+01:00that's a big question in phil.of language, whether...that's a big question in phil.of language, whether thoughts are influenced by words or the other way round,not only Wittgenstein was concerned with this. However I am with Humboldt in this question who has a reciprocal take on this, both thinking and language influence each other, but we are not completely at mercy of language, Humboldt says there may be a violence of language but we can put against this the power we have as individuals with our thinking and feeling and can form language to a certain degree, too (for instance making up new words). So it is reciprocal. You know it is about generosity, this whole question about 'language is shit, because it lies to us' and that all-most of teh philosophers want to get rid of language for the reasons you mentioned and others, for language is not clear and so on and all the attempts to create new perfect languages stem from the desperate aim to create perfect insights, the perfect system. Philosophers who see languages as a tool are bothered by inaccuracies of languages who are an obstacle on the way to the 'real shit'. They don't see the richness that languages have, all those ambiguities, they cannot see this as a gain.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33019812.post-78422510153718977682007-04-11T20:48:00.000+01:002007-04-11T20:48:00.000+01:00antonia: i think your stance is more philosophical...antonia: i think your stance is more philosophical, more rational than mine. i also notice from your posts that you are well versed in philosophical schools etc, not knowing about you, i cd daresay that.<BR/>my problem is a lack of rational thinking ALWAYS. i had approached this issue from a more unscientific way, maybe less persuasive but perhaps tender.<BR/>and i think it is wittgenstein who asked whether language produced thoughts or vice versa.<BR/>please correct me.<BR/>i think if thoughts produce language, then fine. if language produces thoughts, then what are we doing?<BR/>what do you think?Kubla Khanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11973223751363547679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33019812.post-81083601034813651402007-04-11T17:52:00.001+01:002007-04-11T17:52:00.001+01:00this is from R.G. Collingwood - The New Leviathan ...this is from R.G. Collingwood - The New Leviathan ch VI*https://www.blogger.com/profile/05680450955867041830noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33019812.post-91002483911247869672007-04-11T17:52:00.000+01:002007-04-11T17:52:00.000+01:00what about an extended definition of language?"By ...what about an extended definition of language?<BR/><BR/>"By 'language' I mean not only speech, that is, language consisting of movements in the mouth-cavity producing sounds; I mean chiefly, because that is the most highly developed kind of language men possess: but I also mean any system of bodily movements, not necessarily vocal, whereby the men who make them mean or signify anything."*https://www.blogger.com/profile/05680450955867041830noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33019812.post-39727963478446235052007-04-11T12:02:00.000+01:002007-04-11T12:02:00.000+01:00alok...i agree with what you have written.for less...alok...i agree with what you have written.for lesser mortals, language can be a curse.Kubla Khanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11973223751363547679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33019812.post-63993579960896725832007-04-10T21:26:00.000+01:002007-04-10T21:26:00.000+01:00"The time that it takes from the cup brimming with..."The time that it takes from the cup brimming with words to the lips and from lips soaked with words to the sinister whiteness of paper, inside that time, words lose their capability."<BR/><BR/>that's very nicely put...<BR/><BR/>I think it is just the case of our language faculties not keeping up with our consciousness or capabilities of thought. There are of course great writers for whom this gap is small but for lesser beings who lack this ability to tame the language, the possibilities for self-expression and even self-knowledge are reduced.Alokhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12947383354732747209noreply@blogger.com