tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33019812.post4426127036763535626..comments2024-01-15T05:26:06.518+00:00Comments on THOUGHTS OF XANADU: What the Zionists wantKubla Khanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11973223751363547679noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33019812.post-32295810765694861002009-01-09T23:36:00.000+00:002009-01-09T23:36:00.000+00:00Graveyard of DemocracyOn one hand the democratic b...Graveyard of Democracy<BR/>On one hand the democratic beacon of middle-east(!) Israel is paralysed by the power of democracy. The settlers have a strong political voice and no politician can deliver justice for fear of losing the power gained through their votes. Removing the settlers is politically untenable because the demos (settlers) have a voice- that is democracy!<BR/><BR/>On the other side, democracy is 'given' to Palestinians and the pesky Palestinians elect the wrong people. So the exercise of choice by people has no meaning when the structures of power cannot be challenged. Ah democracy...such a wonderful thing...alpha2omegahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06494181598963698617noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33019812.post-76469797349109889942009-01-09T18:55:00.000+00:002009-01-09T18:55:00.000+00:00Hi billooby farms i meant a place where basically,...Hi billoo<BR/><BR/>by farms i meant a place where basically, if you see, they are killed in a needless frenzy from time to time. how big is the Gaza strip anyway? tiny compared to the population it has. there are no exits, no entries, just a seething swathe of refugee camps. compare it to the camp xray and you get a totally different picture but the analogy is not bizarre. lock them up, keep them huddled, let them convulse in pain......<BR/><BR/>re extermination.....that is what it fundamentally arrives at. where is historical Palestine now? even post 1967 hopes of a small Palestine is not acceptable to the Israelis....what is happening now is an effacement of not just the land but even the memories of Palestine.<BR/><BR/>i agree with you re Nazi terminology. it makes no sense. and Iranian propaganda of late, especially of the asinine type denying the holocaust does not favour anyone. it is reprehensible.Kubla Khanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11973223751363547679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33019812.post-29155863001883416062009-01-09T05:59:00.000+00:002009-01-09T05:59:00.000+00:00not sure that i get you, kubla. what is an "occupa...not sure that i get you, kubla. what is an "occupation farm"?<BR/><BR/>to me , it does seem like the old settler mentality (a "wilderness" to be converted into a garden); the other as not quite human (and unproductive); the constant need for expansion. <BR/><BR/>Yes, I think you're right: it's not like tradtitional colonialism in lots of ways, not least the notion that the land is taken to be divinely ordained to belong to a particular people.<BR/><BR/>fields of extermination? I don't think this is correct. Yes, perhaps there are elements that want to push them into Jordan. But I think that there are also elements that would be content with them living in camps ..a sort of pragmatism, if one can call it that, that these people will not go away; and then I think there are others (in Israel proper)who are horrified or at least critical of the settlers and their mentality<BR/><BR/>I think you make a good point about exploitation , as well. i think that this is one way in which British Muslims are radicalised. You know, I've heard this Nazi terminology bandied about on both sides (if muslims had the bomb they'd make hitler look like a child and 'the jews/israel are no worse than the Nazis.<BR/><BR/>for me, this is not just poor historical thinking, it is poor thinking per se.<BR/><BR/>Hope you are well.<BR/><BR/>salaams,<BR/><BR/>b.billoohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10716970909272480118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33019812.post-31703619209527527432009-01-08T18:19:00.000+00:002009-01-08T18:19:00.000+00:00Atenea, hi:in a way you are right, these protests ...Atenea, hi:<BR/><BR/>in a way you are right, these protests are useless but then what can one do? one mounts this pressure onto oneself and sometimes words spring out. but politics touches us, even love cannot exist without a certain kind of politics.<BR/><BR/>Anonymous: i think responding to anonymous comments doesn't make sense. but Hitler as what you have described is too much really. one crime cannot justify another. the question is not of revenge but of a way, a movement ahead.<BR/><BR/>billoo: "We're witnessing the last colonial state (perhaps)".<BR/><BR/>billoo, i disagree. the areas under occupation are not colonies really, in the traditional sense. they seem more like occupation farms, fields of extermination, a playfield for morbid men like the butcher Sharon. in negating Palestine, there is an ideological insistence. in refusing to criticize Israel, the West is in a way trying to do away with its silent complicity for the holocaust. unless the nakba enters popular terminology and popular discourse, there is no way forward for the palestinians. most palestinian intellectuals, let us say Said, lamented the negation of palestine more than its physical occupation.<BR/>the victims as aggressors is a fascinating case. there is a determined approach to bury the psychological aspects of this dignified struggle.<BR/><BR/>however, outside elements including i guess Iran are bent on expoliting it. from a struggle for rights, it should not be projected as a religious cause. that happens too often.the BBC.....ah, that is a different issue. the manufacture of opinion, the creation of opinion........the tools of late capitalism, i must say, the forces of darkness.Kubla Khanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11973223751363547679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33019812.post-13323103686509944152009-01-08T10:24:00.000+00:002009-01-08T10:24:00.000+00:00"Even Hitler himself may be considered a small ang..."Even Hitler himself may be considered a small angel if compared with this scum of gangsters who occupy Palestine and commit such cold blooded atrocities. "<BR/><BR/>This is such utter nonsense that one gasps for breath. for heaven's sake...<BR/><BR/>I think you're mostly right, kubla. We're witnessing the last colonial state (perhaps). I guess this type of delusion is to be expected when people start to talk in terms of God's justice instead of the more familiar norms that we're more accustomed to. <BR/><BR/>People keep on saying that we know the endgame is a two state solution but that seems to be wilfully ignorant of the development of the settlements since 1967. <BR/><BR/>the sheer vaccuousness of the term 'humanitarian aid' is remarkable, no?<BR/><BR/>you're right, writing or even commenting about what's happening seems futile. <BR/><BR/>and now the BBc is relishing the thought that it's latched on to anew discussion: how Israel's actions are not about the rocket attacks but, instead, about weakening hamas and re-shaping the political situation, altering the balance. the irony! Reminds me of the american commander in Vietnam who said: this town has to be destroyed for it to be saved.billoohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10716970909272480118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33019812.post-3460618995234169082009-01-08T08:22:00.000+00:002009-01-08T08:22:00.000+00:00do not weep, do not yeild to despair. rage rage ag...do not weep, do not yeild to despair. rage rage against the dying of the light. 'hamas', lovers, means rage, hold this rage close, nurture it, suckle it, let its sharp teeth bite us so we always remember. one thing, one sole thing why they will never win:<BR/>because we will not forget<BR/>because we will not forgiveAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33019812.post-61125269521166015832009-01-08T01:26:00.000+00:002009-01-08T01:26:00.000+00:00Indeed everything seems to be disappointing and fr...Indeed everything seems to be disappointing and frustrating. But I still believe in the strong will of the Palestinian people. They have survived massacres and sufferings at the hands of the same Zionist thugs and murderers. But things will change in the end. I am sure that they will emerge victorious in the end, in spite of all pain and suffering. The current massacre in Gaza and the widespread publicity of the crimes perpetrated there by the new Nazis in Israel will inevitably create a new awareness worldwide of the true character of the sadistic brutal Zionists.<BR/>Even Hitler himself may be considered a small angel if compared with this scum of gangsters who occupy Palestine and commit such cold blooded atrocities. <BR/>Let's just pray for their freedom and salvation which we hope to see realized sooner than later.<BR/>Thanks. <BR/>Prom <BR/>http://prom2000.blogspot.comAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33019812.post-83631253567812262482009-01-08T00:24:00.000+00:002009-01-08T00:24:00.000+00:00And so is written the story of mankind, by us who ...And so is written the story of mankind, by us who stay at home and weep.<BR/><BR/>War is useful. It serves a lot of purposes. The purposes of corporations. The purposes of the powerful. The purposes of elite groups.<BR/><BR/>We're the useless sons and daughters of the slaughtered whose only power is to fight again and again the horror that will sprout here today and there tomorrow, like a monster with endless heads that will always find a way to eat us.<BR/><BR/>On Earth, the realm where the useful reigns, do not underestimate the dignity of the useless, the futile protest, of the futile post, of the useless song which writes and rewrites History, of the ones that get themselves killed fighting for what they believe. If there's anything that gives some value to human life is that ability to do such useless stupid things as love, write, hope, dream and fight lost fights.Lupehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12396093043812849925noreply@blogger.com